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by Chris Miller at 03:24:11 PM on Tuesday, June 17th, 2008
While traveling, a saw Ed posted a Lotus Foundations blog entry that got some good comments and linked to some new Foundations blog sites.  As part of one of the first resellers, I addressed many of the issues that are being brought up in the comments on Ed's blog.  While I brought some of these items up before in anotehr blog posting, here is more of my impressions:
  • Lotus Foundations is currently being marketed in the wrong place.  Hands down.  The only people that really know about it are Lotus shops that are already biased on how the Domino architecture works.  We have sold a few of these now and not a single non-Domino shop have heard of Nitix, much rather Foundations.
  • The thought of being able to migrate a domain in or utilizing Foundations as an extension point should have been done before the release.  There is no reason this isn't built in to help push sales of this for remote workers and offices
  • The restrictions of how the Org name is built defeats the way Domino works, from the first Foundations install, in terms of multiple servers.  Since it uses DNS, it creates O's of the same name for each server.  So no calendaring lookups nor native NRPC routing becomes available.
  • The server and cert id are on the file system but are keyed to the Nitix environment.  You can't easily replace them without breaking the automation of the server.
  • Pushing hard for extended Lotus products, like Sametime is a key selling point that is needed sooner.

I could go on some more, but I think the push needs to be expanded outside of the Lotus partner realm.  Most of you deal with Lotus customers and not in the competitive landscape of the SMB world against things like Google Apps.  So introducing this without any previous visibility to the SMB customer is an immediate hamper.

  • 1) Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Stuart Mcintyre at 6/17/2008 4:32:12 PM email | website

    Hear hear. You're on the button there Chris.

    I'm in the same boat, very very keen on selling Foundations to my SMB customers, but am so disappointed by the needless limitations built into the product at this stage. As you say, it seems to be perfect for distributed site deployments, yet cannot possibly be used in that environment at this stage.

    I am struggling to see what IBM has brought to the Nitix party since the acquisition before Lotusphere - there has been some rebranding and changes to the GUI, yet none of the limitations of the Nitix solution have been lifted.

    It currently smacks of a missed opportunity to me...

  • 2) Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Graham Dodge at 6/17/2008 5:12:32 PM email | website

    I'm not overly impressed with the professionalism of the IBM makeover - there are some horrendous typos in the Foundations User manual and their posting of the .iso on Partnerworld included seven images (four of which were labelled 'Disk 4 of 4'). Not a good start.

    But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. It seems that your concerns are basically that IBM hasn't delivered what you wanted in * your* timeframe. Given the impending release of Microsoft's Small Business Server 2008 and Essential Business Server products I can understand that IBM felt presured to get something out of the door in Q2 2008.

    I think there will be significant creative tension over the next twelve months as the IBM code jockeys plead for more time to implement the features you want and the marketing types look for immediate releases to throw into the SMB battle against Microsoft. In short, I think that all of us (you, me and IBM) see the product moving in the same direction but we have different ideas on which features should be fast-tracked.

    For the moment we have an excellent product to sell into whitespace clients.

  • 3) Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Lars Berntrop-Bos at 6/18/2008 4:32:17 AM email | website

    I second Chris and Stuart. Our organization would love to be able to extend the domain with low maintenance servers.

    HEY, LOTUS!

    Please use these ideas to your and our advantage!

  • 4) re: Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Chris Miller at 6/20/2008 11:16:49 AM email | website

    @Graham - unfortunately it isn't *my* timeframe, it is the market they are currently pitching to. You cannot push this idea to existing Notes shops when it cannot work with existing Notes shops correctly. Like a car dealer showing you the newest technology for your brand but not your model

  • 5) Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Graham Dodge at 6/23/2008 10:54:01 PM email | website

    @ Chris, I disagree with your comment about 'it is the market they are currently pitching to.'

    Domino is a wonderful application. LFS is a completely different kind of animal which provides networking, firewall, website, backup, databaseoptional anti-spam/anti-virus etc and is ideally positioned as a small business server. Oh... and it also provides Domino email and some Domino application services.

    I completely understand the desire of IBM Business Partners to want to sell this product into their existing Domino clients. Lars summed it up that philosophy quite well by wanting to see LFS as a potential low-maintenance extender for existing Domino domains, but I don't remember the Nitix/IBM/Lotus advertising which pitched LFS as that kind of solution.

    If you want to stick with a Domino-centric sales strategy that's fine but don't dump on the square peg just because it doesn't fit into your round hole.... (uh... I could probably have phrased that better) .

    I'm not an IBM fanboy but I think they're copping an unwarranted beating here.

    BTW: over 99% of my 2007/2008 revenue came from standard Lotus/Domino consulting so I'm in the same boat as every other Lotus Business Partner in considering the value of LFS.

  • 6) re: Clearing more air on Lotus Foundations
    Created by Chris Miller at 7/1/2008 4:52:20 PM email | website

    @Graham - I will make a basic statemtnI stand by. If you won't support Lotus Notes as everyone is used to, don't brand it under the Lotus banner. There is no reason in my mind that this was something that was not solved before shipping



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