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by Chris Miller at 01:23:17 PM on Monday, June 8th, 2009
Ed made a posting earlier asking about input on all aspects of message recall.
So, seems like a good discussion topic.  Are you using or planning to use mail recall?  Why or why not?  What resources have you found to help you make these decisions?

I personally (read this as a company we will sit down and plan it out with you and implement it very willingly) dislike it.  Message recall defeats the purpose of me sending you email in the first place.  I want you to have the message, that is why I send it.  I don't keep it (as in saved mail either) because it was my gift to you.  If I wanted it I would not have sent it in the first place.  If I want it back I will ask you to send it back and I hope you don't keep a copy of it in your sent when you do.

It is funny to me how we treat email differently than regular mail or voicemail in that sense.  Once you drop regular mail into one of the US postal boxes, you cannot go and get it back.  There is no recall.  It actually is against the law.  Email seems to be the only place we feel it is ok to retrieve something that was given to the other person.  How many of you are able to get back a sent voice mail message?  What makes email different that that?  

So now you say well they sent it by accident.  Yes, that is why it is called an accident.  It happens.  Quick fingers, fast typing and not verifying right before hitting send.  Happens all the time.  Forgot to add the attachment?  Send it right behind.  Like forgetting to put the check in the bill you are mailing off.  You send another envelope.  Digital or not.  Forget to leave some detail on the voicemail?  Call again.  Works like magic.

This is yet to be asked by customers to be turned on when we upgrade to Domino 8, but most (over 90%) want this turned off since it is on by default.   I am yet to hear this used as a comparison issue either when talking Outlook with anyone.  There is really no challenge in implementation, it is more around the fact that there is no guarantee a message is really recalled due to the number and types of devices, replicating and archiving going on.  It is a convenience feature sure, just not required.

  • 1) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by Tim Tripcony at 6/8/2009 2:36:22 PM email | website

    I agree (again, personal stance - Lotus 911 of course provides support for this feature). The rare occasions prior to R8 when users specifically asked me if recall was available were not situations where they accidentally sent a message without remembering to include an attachment, or forgot to include some pertinent information, etc.... it was always a case where they had accidentally sent information to someone who, for whatever reason, should not have received it. In other words, they exercised inadequate care in ensuring that they were not inappropriately disclosing confidential information: they'd sent one customer's data to a different customer, or proprietary data to a competitor, etc. - put yet another way, it was a policy violation that could, in fact, be grounds for termination. While I can see value in allowing an administrator to protect his employer's strategic advantage by mitigating the damage once such a disclosure has been identified, informing actual end users that a recall feature exists erodes their sense of how crucial it is to comply with any policies in place regarding confidentiality: it promises false hope that, no matter how aggregious their violation of such policies, they can "get away with" accidental violation - or even poor judgment - with a click of a button. As you mentioned, numerous factors may prevent this feature from functioning as desired, which is yet another reason why it is so crucial to ensure confidential information is being sent only to appropriate recipients *before* it is sent, not after.

  • 2) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by Handly Cameron at 6/8/2009 2:59:09 PM email | website

    There's nothing like sending a recall message to tell me that you just sent me some juicy inappropriate or proprietary content!

    Mail routing happens pretty much instantaneously these days, so all a person has to do is use their Blackberry or other mobile device to move/copy the original before the system can process the recall request.

  • 3) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by francie at 6/8/2009 3:19:32 PM email | website

    While I personally disagree with the feature, most of my clients going to 8 ask for this, most of them with the management response of "oh yeah, that's in Outlook".

    What I try to convey to those clients, is that having this feature should in fact not change the way they have done collaboration thus far, as ens users will STILL need to use common sense (wha?) and due dilligence when sending out communication.

    The goal with message recall being that you never have to use it again.

    That way of thinking also comes in handy when such message has already gone out on a handheld device.

  • 4) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by Denny Russell at 6/8/2009 3:31:59 PM email | website

    While I agree with you, I can't tell you how many time our customers have called and asked if there was any way for our product to 'recall' a message. I wish I had a $ for every time an executive or someone else sent out a message they wish they hadn't. Some have been quite funny, while others not so funny.

  • 5) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by alex at 6/8/2009 4:35:02 PM email |

    We have it turned with restrictions(8 hours, unread only) and we also reminded the users of the limitations. It wasn't as big deal as I thought it would be. I always couched it as "always stop and think before you send, but in that one case here is this tool. "

    Side note: Actually mail recall is possible with the USPS. Someone once mentioned it to me. Here is the actual form: { Link }

  • 6) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by Devin Olson at 6/8/2009 5:22:45 PM email | website

    Those who need the ability to recall sent email lack the intellectual capacity to use email in the first place, and should be denied access to such.

  • 7) Ed asked for thoughts on Message Recall in 8, I personally dislike it
    Created by Dan Lynch at 6/9/2009 4:49:51 AM email |

    Exchange offers no way to disable message recall, it is always on, which in today's world of litigation, FRCP, edisscovery, and lawyers essentially owning large, corporate mail systems data, is a major downside of exchange. Lawyers cringe when they hear people can retract an electronic message, it screws up discovery and would broaden the scope of discovery, (more $$) we were mandated not to enable it in domaino 8.


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